Robert F Kennedy Jr's independent run for president draws GOP criticism and silence from national Democrats

Republicans attacked Robert F Kennedy Jr on Monday as the longtime environmental lawyer and anti-vaccine activist launched an independent bid for the White House, reflecting growing concerns on the right that the former Democrat now threatens to take votes from former President Donald Trump in 2024.

This is exactly correct. People were saying that RFK would take away votes from Biden, but the reality is, he is popular with anti-vax nuts and will take away voters from Trump.

Even Trump just two weeks ago said of Kennedy, “I like him a lot. I’ve known him for a long time.”

This is the real talk. It is an open secret Kennedy is being supported by GOP fat cat donors to throw the election to Trump.

An independent who would never accept GOP fat cat donations is Bernie Sanders

I thought the GOP kinda liked RFK Jr.

It’s quite ironic (and funny) that MAGA world was actively promoting RFK Jr.’s run, with the encouragement of people like Alex Jones, Steve Bannon, and bass4funk. MAGA world thought it would hurt Biden, until polling indicated it would hurt Trump.

How did they figure an anti-vax conspiracy theorist wouldn’t appeal to the weirdo fringe in MAGA land?

I thought the GOP kinda liked RFK Jr.

More a QANON thing.

Is it possible that the MAGAs realized RFK is a little too close to their brand of crazy?

This is good, it will take more votes away from Trump, making the amount of votes he's going to have to lie that were stolen from him is higher than if RFK didn't run, when he tries to overthrow the government again.

How did they figure an anti-vax conspiracy theorist wouldn’t appeal to the weirdo fringe in MAGA land?

He had 'Democrat' attached to his name. They are unable to see policy, only labels.

I thought the GOP kinda liked RFK Jr.

More a QANON thing.

Basically the same thing these days, innit.

Yes yes GOP liked and Trump liked him...

He will be the vice president candidates of Trump...

But hello cheerleaders team do not worry... Still Biden is going to win landslide..

Do you know why ? Now look at our nation.. A kingdom of heaven.. Look at the world... The most peaceful planet under the world leader Biden ...

Lets have a celebration .....

Oh look how the GOP is now against what Kennedy is peddling! It was not too long ago that they were falling all over themselves to make sure his message was heard on all the right-wing platforms. Well, now that he is an independent and with little hope of stealing votes from Biden and more likely whomever becomes the GOP representative, now he is a vanity candidate, or a Democrat operative. It is just too funny.

Do you know why ? Now look at our nation.. A kingdom of heaven.. Look at the world... The most peaceful planet under the world leader Biden ...

Yeah, unfortunately Trump ruined things so much during his term, the effects are still being seen.

Since there is now a viable independent candidate a lot of democrats are going to vote independent in the general election.

I'm ok with you believing that.

It’s quite ironic (and funny) that MAGA world was actively promoting RFK Jr.’s run, with the encouragement of people like Alex Jones, Steve Bannon, and bass4funk.

Yes

MAGA world thought it would hurt Biden, until polling indicated it would hurt Trump. 

Not to the level it would hurt Biden given his sinking poll numbers

How did they figure an anti-vax conspiracy theorist wouldn’t appeal to the weirdo fringe in MAGA land?

If people like the juice, their choice, many of us that don’t want it shouldn’t be forced to take it, I didn’t and I’m still here, don’t believe the hype, don’t give into the fear. To each his own.

I may not agree with JFK Jr

On vaccines you most certainly do.

Not to the level it would hurt Biden given his sinking poll numbers

I guess you didn't read the story.

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MAGA world thought it would hurt Biden, until polling indicated it would hurt Trump. 

Not to the level it would hurt Biden given his sinking poll numbers

This is a non-sequitur. It won't hurt Biden, because the GOP are the party of anti-vax crazies.

Also, it's a bit early to gain much from polling, but Biden's polling numbers are about the same as Trump's.

That This Kennedy has many followers and that a convicted sexual predator who's failed at business and politics also has many followers in the cult he leads, is a sad statement on the low level of reasoning skills shown by the number of US Americans that are easily manipulated., especially when they get their infomation primarily from extreme right media that glorifies rich white males.

anti-vaccine activist

That is libelous slander. Its a bold faced lie. The man is fully vaccinated exept for the new Covid vaccines. His family is fully vaccinated. He has never told people not to get vaccinated. All he has done is be skeptical of the handful of new to the world Covid shots, for which new evidence of their lack of efficacy is being discovered all the time.

Being skeptical of a tiny number of vaccines does not even make one a vaccine skeptic! That's like saying being suspicious of the expiry date of a steak at the supermarket makes one a food skeptic! This is targeted propaganda by the media regulators in government and the media is weak, corrupt and controlled.

Go to Youtube and watch " Robert F. Kennedy Jr. says he’s not anti-vaccine and that he’s the subject to new form of censorship "

Robert F. Kennedy is the hero America needs and will be stupid to refuse. Neither the Dems nor the Repubs are floating anyone but lobbyist slaves.

This far-left Democrat will actually syphon off some of the conspiracy theorists and wackos from the GOP and Democrats. This will hurt some of Trump's base. They love playing victim by being on the losing team while believing they are the smartest people in the room.

Unfortunately, the conspiracists are only a small percentage of the "Coalition of the Despicable" supporting the MAGA movement. There is too much intersectionality with the GOP criminality, low-educated whites, and racists. Not all GOP are racists, but most racists in the US identify as the GOP/Independents!

Defeating a Trump nomination means making moderate GOP voters feel too embarrassed to vote for Trump. Of course, this will not apply to the MAGA faithful.

It's good that anti-vaxxer Kennedy will siphon votes away from Trump as an independent.

This far-left Democrat

Kennedy is as far-left as Trump is.

You can tell how terrified the establishment is of Kennedy by all the negative lies they keep repeating about him.

He is probably the only person running who actually has both a brain and a heart. He does not think or speak in soundbytes for the dimwitted zombies out there, but actually forms intelligent, meaningful sentences that require actual thinking.

This throws chatbot utilizing sock puppets into a tizzy.

It's great that Kennedy will filter so many of the "independet and free-thining" voters from Trump.

It's great that Kennedy will filter so many independent, intelligent, and free-thinking voters from Biden.

It's great that Kennedy will filter so many independent, intelligent, and free-thinking voters from Biden.

He'll no doubt siphon a few. But as Biden voters generally aren't anti-vaxxers, and seeing how RFK is very popular among the MAGA type, the overwhelming majority of votes he siphons will be from Trump.

Some people subject politicians to purity tests. The left and the right can be dismissive of politicians who don’t tick every single box. MAGA is more cultish and they’ll accept pretty much anything from Trump.

For conspiracy theorists, is RFK purer than Trump?

Unfortunately, the conspiracists are only a small percentage of the "Coalition of the Despicable" 

Very interesting point.

Is there an important difference between those who would be seen as true modern day Galileos/free thinkers ( Building 7, scamdemic, climate change a hoax, proxy war etc. ) and those who just go along with Trump’s more cafeteria style approach to conspiracy theories?

But as Biden voters generally aren't anti-vaxxers

Anti-vaxxers are unicorns. Anyone who thinks their numbers are significant is a moron.

How many vaccines are American kids pretty much required to get now? 72? That's insane! Where are the protests? There are none! The American people are utter sheep who actually think pumping their kids full of pharmaceutical products is not only necessary but good! They must marvel that the world ever got to one billion humans without chemical intervention!

I am all for small pox, measles, rubella, and polio, but much beyond that and the unused immune system becomes rather useless, and this is the way intelligent people think. Pharmaceutical companies are far and away more of money making machines now than they are a public health interest, although in aggregate they clearly are NOT working in the interest of public health at all.

But the America public has become anti-science and are now pro-faith where pharmaceutical companies are their denominations, their CEOs their popes, and their so-called scientists their bishops. They just trust that they are told without any real questions.

Kennedy if fighting this insanity. He is pro-science and he asks and answers the tough questions the weak-willed public are now afraid to even consider.

Anti-vaxxers are unicorns. Anyone who thinks their numbers are significant is a moron.

You keep telling yourself that.

The families of a million dead Americans from the pandemic might say otherwise though...

Kennedy if fighting this insanity.

Which is great, as he'll siphon off many Trump votes as a result.

For a guy like RFK Jr who has injected god knows what dangerous chemicals up his veins over the years - including enough heroin to kill a baby elephant - it is very amusing that he is scared of medical vaccines.

For a guy like RFK Jr who has injected god knows what dangerous chemicals up his veins over the years - including enough heroin to kill a baby elephant - it is very amusing that he is scared of medical vaccines

As a huge Trump supporter, do you think RFK will take many votes off Trump?

As a huge Trump supporter, do you think RFK will take many votes off Trump?

Well, they clearly will not be running against each other, barring a miracle for RFK in the primaries. Have you looked at any polls the past year?

How can someone not running against another in a ballot "take votes off him"?

Loving to see our leftists falling for the “he will take votes from Trump” fake out narrative.

Loving to see our leftists falling for the “he will take votes from Trump” fake out narrative.

I'm ok with you believing that's how it is.

Kennedy is a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

Kennedy is a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

Is there any anti-vaxxer who isn't?

The families of a million dead Americans from the pandemic might say otherwise though...

58% of whom were…..vaccinated.

58% of whom were…..vaccinated.

Thank you for pointing out one of the anti-vaxxer talking points that RFK is pushing.

Reuters fact check reported scientific data point you mean?

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Loving to see our leftists falling for the “he will take votes from Trump” fake out narrative.

It's not the leftists falling for that narrative, it's the Trump campaign that are worried by it, and I trust they have good data for that. The Trump campaign are planning ad campaigns for exactly this threat.

So now Dems are so pathetic that they have to pray that Biden can win with only 30-35% of the vote?

sad….

It's not the leftists falling for that narrative, it's the Trump campaign that are worried by it, and I trust they have good data for that. The Trump campaign are planning ad campaigns for exactly this threat.

Shhh, let them think he's going to siphon votes from Biden. They'll support RFK even further if they think that's the case.

So now Dems are so pathetic that they have to pray that Biden can win with only 30-35% of the vote?

Do you think that is more or less pathetic than trying to overthrow the government in an insurrection because you don't like how the people voted, like Trump did?

The elections are not until Nov. 2024. A lot can happen before then.

Keepyer Internetpoints

But as Biden voters generally aren't anti-vaxxers

Anti-vaxxers are unicorns. Anyone who thinks their numbers are significant is a moron.

That was true before the pandemic, but since then, their numbers have greatly increased.

Kennedy if fighting this insanity. He is pro-science and he asks and answers the tough questions the weak-willed public are now afraid to even consider.

You obviously haven't heard Kennedy speak. He doesn't have a scientific understanding at all. He thinks that the Covid-19 virus spares Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese people, for crying out loud.

Why is RFK Jr getting 12-25% in the Democratic primary polling where republicans can’t vote?

interesting.

Do you think that is more or less pathetic

very much more pathetic.

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Why is RFK Jr getting 12-25% in the Democratic primary polling where republicans can’t vote?

interesting.

Considering there isn't going to be a Democratic primary the polls are pretty much meaningless. Especially at this stage.

But, hey, I have no problem with you being confident that RFK Jr. will affect Biden worse than Trump. No problem at all.

Why is RFK Jr getting 12-25% in the Democratic primary polling where republicans can’t vote?

Oh he'll get a few voters from the democrats. But he appeals way more to anti-vaxxers and "free thinkers" than he does to democrats in general.

As the net balance will be a larger loss of votes for Trump than Biden, RFK going independent is a welcome move by the Democrats.

If RFK thought he had any chance as a Democrat, he would have stayed running as a democrat.

hoping to win only because another guy siphons votes from your opponent?

super pathetic.

almost as bad as trying to jail your opponent during an election cycle or take him off the ballot so people can’t vote for him?

Now that’s super super pathetic.

It's not the leftists falling for that narrative, it's the Trump campaign that are worried by it, and I trust they have good data for that. The Trump campaign are planning ad campaigns for exactly this threat

Well put.

Trump has done a pretty good job getting conspiracy theorists on side but he can’t sign up for everything on the free-thinker hymn sheet - he was taking credit for the vaccines.

RFK maybe has more scope to out-conspiracy theorize him.

Would this sell?

You do realize Trump is ahead or tied in 15 of the last 20 national polls don’t you?

in an election that Biden has to win by +3. He hasn’t consistently polled with a lead like that since May/June.

like 4 indictments ago.

You do realize Trump is ahead or tied in 15 of the last 20 national polls don’t you?

Pshaw, polls. I stand with MAGA in not believing them.

I'm ok with you thinking independents will still vote for Trump when the election comes around, even when he's under indictment.

So yes, the polls put Biden ahead. How scary!

Maybe Biden will have to follow Trump's lead and try to overthrow democracy in an insurrection if he loses?

A win is a win and what a win Biden had over Trump in a historical landslide victory that very few saw coming. Trump tried to overthrow the election and has now been indicted twice with connections over that. Trump looking for another 11,000 votes. Pathetic.

the statement “more vaccinated people died from COVID than non vaccinated people” is factually accurate.

with reasons/explanations as to why. But it IS a factual statement.

the statement “more vaccinated people died from COVID than non vaccinated people” is factually accurate.

Yes, we understand this is one of the anti-vaxxer talking points.

Simple people take things simply.

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You do realize Trump is ahead or tied in 15 of the last 20 national polls don’t you?

That is not really relevant at this stage, so I'm not really worried by it.

That is not really relevant at this stage, so I'm not really worried by it.

The polls also predicted a "red tsunami".

in a historical landslide victory

or in reality by 50,000 votes in 3 states Biden was losing when everyone went to bed on election night.

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the statement “more vaccinated people died from COVID than non vaccinated people” is factually accurate.

Factually accurate and completely misleading. One could conclude that getting vaccinated was worse for outcomes from getting Covid, but that conclusion would be wrong.

Yes, we understand this is one of the anti-vaxxer talking points.

Yet also a factual statement.

so what’s the issue with “anti-vaxxers” or any other truthful person saying it?

Oh it’s “misleading”?

kinda same as claiming Biden won in a “historical landslide”kind of misleading?

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Yes, we understand this is one of the anti-vaxxer talking points.

Yet also a factual statement.

so what’s the issue with “anti-vaxxers” or any other truthful person saying it?

Because it is meaningless. Unless you include the number of people getting vaccinate, you can't get any information from it.

If 100% of people got vaccinated, the following statement would be correct: "Only vaccinated people died of Covid".

Too bad he isn’t more like his father. This guy is a bit on the nutty side, but he has somewhat of a following.

so what’s the issue with “anti-vaxxers” or any other truthful person saying it?

No issue at all. The pandemic is over, the anti-vaxxers can feed themselves on talking points all they want, no skin off my back.

In fact, the more they push their anti-vaxx position, the more likely they are to push "free thinkers" and other anti-vaxxers to RFK, so I actually encourage the anti-vaxxxers to push their talking points.

I'll even repost for you!

the statement “more vaccinated people died from COVID than non vaccinated people” is factually accurate.

kinda same as claiming Biden won in a “historical landslide”kind of misleading?

Biden won by the same margin Trump did. "Historical landslide" is how Trump described winning by that margin. We make fun of MAGA by using it to point out that Biden won in a historical landslide.

If 100% of people got vaccinated, the following statement would be correct: "Only vaccinated people died of Covid".

correct.

and would prove the vaccine useless in preventing COVID death.

But it’s not 100%- “just” 58% of total deaths who were vaccinated compared to 42% who were not.

This is a non-sequitur. It won't hurt Biden, because the GOP are the party of anti-vax crazies.

And yet Biden is still polling badly among his own Democrat constituency. Again, if Dems didn’t think it would hurt Joe they wouldn’t be panicking and telling him not to do this.

Also, it's a bit early to gain much from polling,

Not by looking a Joe’s number, if you do the math at this point, RFK peeling off votes and add to that a lot of blacks and Latinos are leaving the DNC, doesn’t help Joe.

but Biden's polling numbers are about the same as Trump's.

Not really.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-trump-jumps-ahead-of-biden-when-voters-get-a-third-party-option/ar-AA1hsLrg

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/troubles-biden-age-reelection-campaign-poll/story?id=103436611

And yet Biden is still polling badly among his own Democrat constituency. Again, if Dems didn’t think it would hurt Joe they wouldn’t be panicking and telling him not to do this.

The polls predicted a Hillary win, and a red tsunami.

You believe the polls?

So what would that all deaths from COVID were in vaccinated people and no non vaccinated people died mean to you?

It would tell me that due to no one being unvaccinated, there isn't a control group against which someone could logically come to the anti-vaxxer conclusion.

No, no.

there are unvaccinated people. They just didn’t die from COVID.

all deaths were in vaccinated people.

what would that tell you?

there are unvaccinated people.

Try to follow the conversation you're participating in son:

If 100% of people got vaccinated, the following statement would be correct: "Only vaccinated people died of Covid".

correct.

and would prove the vaccine useless in preventing COVID death.

No, to people of intelligence, it does not prove that. It's a non-sequitur.

So what would that all deaths from COVID were in vaccinated people and no non vaccinated people died mean to you?

It would tell me that due to no one being unvaccinated, there isn't a control group against which someone could logically come to the anti-vaxxer conclusion.

there are unvaccinated people.

Not in the hypothetical being discussed, there aren't.

It’s like after these vaccinated people die and liberals say “well it would have been much much worse if they weren’t vaccinated!”

oh really, how is that exactly?

The polls predicted a Hillary win, and a red tsunami.

Hillary??

It’s like after these vaccinated people die and liberals say “well it would have been much much worse if they weren’t vaccinated!”

Huh? Are you trying to appraise the effect on society by the evaluation of individuals? Because intelligent people do that right?

Just reading the comments here, it seems RFK’s ideas are more appealing to Trump voters.

It would of course be silly to extrapolate from this, but it is interesting to read.

Hillary??

You might remember, she referred to MAGA as a "Basket of Deplorables". When the polls were saying she would win.

The polls predicted a Hillary win, and a red tsunami.

Hillary??

Yes, you predicted she’d win.

You might remember, she referred to MAGA as a "Basket of Deplorables". When the polls were saying she would win.

Well, she didn’t.

Yes, you predicted she’d win.

She didn’t though, so there was huge relief lifted off my shoulders.

Ok, IF Every single person is vaccinated against COVID.. No unvaccinated people, zero.

580,000 die anyway. from COVID.

does this mean the vaccine “works” to you?

Well, she didn’t.

Which is why polls that claim Trump is polling above Biden can be safely ignored, same as the polls predicting a Hillary win, and a Red Tsunami, could have been safely ignored.

does this mean the vaccine “works” to you?

Does "that" mean it? No. That's not what has brought me to the conclusion that the vaccines are beneficial.

Which is why polls that claim Trump is polling above Biden can be safely ignored,

Well, it was a different time. Even the leftist of polls are worried about Biden sinking further into the abyss.

Well, it was a different time.

Huh? The mistakenly predicted "red tsunami" was not a different time.

Even the leftist of polls are worried about Biden sinking further into the abyss.

You believe polls? I guess we'll see another Red Tsunami, right?

That's not what has brought me to the conclusion that the vaccines are beneficial.

So if not for prevention of death from COVID what is beneficial about them?

regrow hair? Build muscle?

please elaborate.

Huh? The mistakenly predicted "red tsunami" was not a different time.

I just care she’s not in office. That is the only thing that matters.

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So if not for prevention of death from COVID what is beneficial about them?

What makes you think they don't prevent deaths?

I just care she’s not in office. That is the only thing that matters.

Well, the other thing that matters is that polls in America cannot be trusted.

Surely I can't be the only one that appreciates the irony of Trump supporters defending RFK's stance, and telling the more liberal democratic aligned folks here how much of a threat he is to Biden's chance at reelection.

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It’s like after these vaccinated people die and liberals say “well it would have been much much worse if they weren’t vaccinated!”

oh really, how is that exactly?

I can't work out if you just don't understand statistics, or you are trolling.

The statistics categorically prove that you are less likely to die if you got vaccinated.

Surely I can't be the only one that appreciates the irony of Trump supporters defending RFK's stance, and telling the more liberal democratic aligned folks here how much of a threat he is to Biden's chance at reelection.

I love it. Let them keep thinking that, maybe they'll argue against the Trump team's attempts to discredit RFK!