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© Copyright 2024 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission.Gov't panel proposes air traffic control measures to boost safety after Haneda collision
By MARI YAMAGUCHI TOKYO©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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obladi
The accident was apparently due to pilot error
but the panel recommends hiring more air traffic control staff...
It sounds like they need to take a closer look at who is flying the planes
BigP
Does this mean they both have to be competent at speaking English?
ycgdude
It doesn't take a panel to recommend common-sense measures like that. Except that it's irrelevant in this case as the cause was pilot error. The captain of the Coast Guard plane didn't obey ATC instructions.
shogun36
Or just train their workers better? Or maybe have competent workers to begin with?
wallace
It was a pilot error, not a control tower one.
John
BigPToday 07:32 am JST
Yes. By ICAO law, all tower personnel and Pilots flying internationally (regardless of the fact that THIS flight was domestic) must be able to communicate in English using standard phraseology.
John
And while the biggest issue was pilot error, like every major aviation accident, it was not the only cause.
There were issues with tower staffing. There were issues with the color of the A350 HUD. There are, in my opinion , issues with the decision of the JAL crew not seeing an aircraft on the runway under VFR CAVOK conditions.
So I don’t think that adjustments to tower procedures is a bad idea. Anything that further reduces the possibility of a recurrence is worthy of risk management consideration.
GenHXZ
The Dash pilot was never instructed to 'line up and wait', he was not instructed to enter the runway. Focusing about 'number 1' is pointless. A pilot needs permission to enter the runway and that is an obvious instruction in Aviation and one which the Dash pilot did not recieve.
ebisen
Clouds and visibility OK doesn't mean the pilos are able to see a small aircraft at night when not pointed directly at them. Especially on a runway (so a very dark area). Most probably they actually saw some lights but thought it's normal ground illumination, not an actual aircraft.
garypen
Not irrelevant at all, as those electronic warning measures would have made it clear to the CG pilot that it was not safe to proceed onto the runway, despite the confusion over verbal instructions.
リッチ
So if more aircraft controllers are needed it wasn’t solely pilot error. Air traffic had a part in it?
tamanegi
The interesting thing for me is that the 5 crew members that were killed on the coast guard plane never get identified or anything shown about them on the media. No memorials, no reports, no posthumous awards, no go fund me accounts...nothing. I respect the families privacy in this matter but Japan never seems to want to recognize or even acknowledge these people and others who die in similar accidents or tragedies.
Shadows of the Rising Sun
Combination
John
The Dash 8 was not lined up in the normal Takeoff position due to its better performance that’s true.
But it did have its lights on and the runway wasn’t dark.
There is some thought that the HUD lights on the A350 Blended with the lights on the Dash 8 making it harder to see.
And yes, the Dash 8 CG pilot blew through the ATC instructions as mentioned by GenHXZ.
But it’s inaccurate to say that this was a single point of failure. Aviation accidents almost never are.
Manliu3
Good news.
WA4TKG
The fact is, the ATC was using INCORRECT Aviation Terminology {in English} (from what I have HEARD, or what was supposedly released to the public) for Clearing or Holding the Coast Guard Aircraft on the runway.
“You are CLEAR” is what should be said, to do anything..OR, if not, your instruction should be “Hold at xxx”.
This is NOT what was said by the ATC and exactly WHAT the Transcript says has NEVER been released….but you BLAME the pilot.
There’s more than ONE human involved here.
John
ATC said neither “Hold short” nor “Line up and wait”. This is my understanding.
While it’s true that ATC could have been more specific, my understanding is that when a pilot is cleared to an intersection, they are not cleared farther without a subsequent instruction.
So this is primarily pilot error, but there could be contributing factors as well.
SwissToni
The crash investigators will do a fault analysis and get to the root cause of the crash. It’ll highlight the mistakes made from engineering, process and procedure, supervision, stress and those people participating in the incident on the day. There’s always a list of issues that combine to create accidents. It’s almost never one mistake in isolation.
Theres no harm in identifying shortfalls and taking steps to rectify them early on. As long as they don’t interfere with the investigation.