Boost your immune system with this centuries-old health hack: Vaccines

Even healthy, fit people need recommended vaccines to stay healthy and live well.

Thanks for the tip, but I'll pass and stick with natural immunity instead.

Thanks for the tip, but I'll pass and stick with natural immunity instead

Vaccines work with natural immunity, what you refer to is risking the infection, which can be proved scientifically (and beyond any reasonable doubt) to be the worst option since it comes with worse outcomes and higher risks. You are free to choose the worse option, just not to misrepresent it as if it was not so.

For the traditional vaccines that have an inactive component of a virus that induces the cellular body to havean immune responce, then maybe a goid idea.

For non traditional and loosly termed 'vaccines', which don't do the above, it's a hard pass.

I find it hard to find a reason for any vaccines though atm.

Natural immunity all the way.

It is going to be fun checking the comments on this hot potato later....

Already obvious that many do not understand the term "natural immunity" and how you get it.

My son was vaccine injured. Immediately after receiving his 2nd shot of the Pfizer vaccine he started getting Parkinson's like shaking symptoms...that was 2 years ago and they still persist

Convincing my healty 18 year old boy to take the vaccine was the worst thing I've ever done

SOME of time-tested vaccines are indeed important (TB, MMR, etc), but certain recent "vaccines" have not been thoroughly tested (especially for long-term effects and even the advertised efficacy).

For the traditional vaccines that have an inactive component of a virus that induces the cellular body to havean immune responce, then maybe a goid idea

mRNA is an inacitive component of the virus, it can't infect. And the most traditional of the vaccines were attenuated viruses, which means is completely active and even carries risks of losing the attentuation.

All kinds of vaccines approved for use in the public are good ideas.

For non traditional and loosly termed 'vaccines', which don't do the above, it's a hard pass.

That comes from not understanding what vaccines are, and it does not justify choosing the worse option, only explains why people make that mistake.

Natural immunity all the way.

To the hospital, ER or an early grave, demonstrated scientifically.

My son was vaccine injured

Without representation that is not an argument, one person saying a family member died because of lack of vaccination would have the same value in the discussion, except that the consensus of the medical science community clearly, unequivocally says being vaccinated lower the risk for people in general.

SOME of time-tested vaccines are indeed important (TB, MMR, etc), but certain recent "vaccines" have not been thoroughly tested

False, any vaccine used on the public have been tested beyond what is proper and their safety and efficacy proved long before they were approved for use in the public, this claim has been repeatedly disproved and just part of the propaganda of antivaxxer and other antiscientific groups trying to mislead the public to make bad health care related decisions for personal profit.

If the people that have worked for decades preserving the public health and are experts on vaccination say the vaccines are being tested properly, nameless people on the internet saying the opposite are not an argument to refute it. Specially when not offering any evidence and trying very hard to ignore the fact that vaccines were proved to be safe and effective according to the information of literally billions of doses around the world.

Some of the traditional vaccines are probably a good idea to take, especially if you're in a place where dangerous diseases are common and treatments are hard to get. As for the more "experimental" varieties, the less said the better on this forum.

Some of the traditional vaccines are probably a good idea to take, especially if you're in a place where dangerous diseases are common and treatments are hard to get. As for the more "experimental" varieties, the less said the better on this forum.

For all the vaccines approved for use in the public they are better than not being vaccinated. There is no experimental vaccine being used on the public, so the argument is moot.

Without representation that is not an argument, one person saying a family member died because of lack of vaccination would have the same value in the discussion, except that the consensus of the medical science community clearly, unequivocally says being vaccinated lower the risk for people in general.

Problem is, Geeter's son is far from alone. But you just keep on believing the "safe and effective" mantra. If you do it long enough, it becomes true!

Or in the words of philosopher George Costanza, "It's not a lie if you believe it."

there are robust systems in place to test and monitor the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.

Riiight... The systems in place seem instead to be designed to hide the safety issues. We know from recent hearings, that Pfizer knew of several serious adverse effects, which it kept hidden. Governments and media actively tried to suppress investigation, acknowledgement, and discussion of these serious adverse effects.

There are a dizzying number of tips, hacks and recommendations on how to stay healthy... Some of these tips are helpful and based on good evidence...

But we certainly will never read about them here or on "The Conversation".

Convincing my healty 18 year old boy to take the vaccine was the worst thing I've ever done

I'm very sorry about your son. I hope he recovers fully.

But don't blame yourself, considering all we heard during the entire pandemic was "safe and effective". Instead, blame those who lied and those who prevented the truth from coming out...

The usual stolen election/scamdemic/climate change a hoax/proxy war/EVs a scam/go woke go broke types etc.reciting from the hymn sheet.

People, we know your hymn sheet by now.

We know what you will say.

Problem is, Geeter's son is far from alone.

That is no argument against vaccines, not being vaccinated comes with a much (like huge) higher risk for the health and life of people, even young and healthy. So everybody gets a reduction of the risk from being vaccinated. Research is constant and new and better vaccines are being developed constantly, but that in no way changes the fact that not being vaccinated is a much worse option that leave more people with permanent health problems or even dead.

Or in the words of philosopher George Costanza, "It's not a lie if you believe it."

For example that all the experts in the world and their clear unequivocal must be wrong just because you choose to believe something different. It makes no sense.

Riiight... The systems in place seem instead to be designed to hide the safety issues.

The opposite, the systems are made to pick up even noise just in case it has any importance, if there was any intent on hiding anything no reporting system would be in place.

The vaccines (yes, including from Pfizer) are hugely safer than not vaccinating, pretending every health system in the world is in a global conspiracy to hide things is deeply irrational, and only people that would do that kind of horrible thing for money would even consider this is something the medical community of the world would do as a general rule.

But we certainly will never read about them here or on "The Conversation".

Why not? as long as it is based on scientific evidence there is no impediment and it has happened several times, what you will never read about is about antiscientific, debunked things, and that is desirable and positive. What is the point on repeating things already proven useless of even worse than not doing anything?

But don't blame yourself

Nobody should blame themselves for doing something that is easy to prove better. That would be like feeling guilty for putting a seat belt on their children when riding a vehicle, even if that ends up causing damage in an accident. After all what can be criticized is not to do it pretending the exceptions outweigh the rule.

Even healthy, fit people need recommended vaccines to stay healthy and live well.

At most, they might help some people protect themselves against some pathogens. But the are not essential, they are not needed to stay healthy and live well. The above seems more like a promotional document than an informative article.

For the traditional vaccines that have an inactive component of a virus that induces the cellular body to havean immune responce, then maybe a goid idea.

Indeed, but vaccines generally also include adjuvants to induce a strong response against the inactive component. Unfortunately, these adjuvants might also cause your immune system to respond against other things. For example if you get a vaccine during hayfever season or prior to eating a peanut butter sandwich....

False, any vaccine used on the public have been tested beyond what is proper and their safety and efficacy proved long before they were approved for use in the public

Then why, when the FDA was considering approving the Covid shot for kids, did the FDA panel member Dr. Eric Rubin say: “we're never going to learn how safe the vaccine is for kids unless we start giving it to them ... and so I think we should vote to approve it.”

So when the FDA approves something, they are not approving it as something safe, but rather approving it to be tested on people to determine its safety...

I received my COVID-19 vaccine shots, followed by a tetanus shot several years ago, and a smallpox shot decades ago for travel purposes.

Evidence seems to show that coming down with COVID, is basically as effective as vaccination at stimulating your immune system to prevent the disease. 

Protect your choice.

Protect your health.

Evidence seems to show that coming down with COVID, is basically as effective as vaccination at stimulating your immune system to prevent the disease. 

That is false, because this can only come AFTER getting the full risks of infection, which means it comes only after a zero percent chance of preventing the disease.

Nope!

evidence is growing that contracting SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, is generally as effective as vaccination at stimulating your immune system to prevent the disease. 

Looks like you're wrong.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-immunity-through-infection-or-vaccination-are-they-equal-n1280962

Lots of anti-scientific scientists here. Yes, it makes much more sense to trust some story you heard happened to someone's friend's friend, and repeat the story until you run out of audience.

Nobody should blame themselves for doing something that is easy to prove better. 

What is the rate of death by Covid among healthy 18 year old boys?

What is the rate of vaccine injury among that same demographic?

At most, they might help some people protect themselves against some pathogens

The vaccines are beneficial for everybody for whom they are recommended, no doubt about it, that includes young and healthy people that receive a lot from them, they are as essential as surgery or antibiotics.

Indeed, but vaccines generally also include adjuvants to induce a strong response against the inactive component

Not generally and that still do not bring the risk above the infection, which is the main cause (by much) of adquired autoimmune problems in comparison, pathogens bring much more problems thanks to the proteins the produce and how they manipulate the immune system, risks that are not present in vaccines.

Then why, when the FDA was considering approving the Covid shot for kids, did the FDA panel member Dr. Eric Rubin say: “we're never going to learn how safe the vaccine is for kids unless we start giving it to them ... and so I think we should vote to approve it.”

Already debunked, there is no problem with repeating the same answer that you could not refute

The important thing was already understood, and that is that vaccines are much much safer than the infection for children, what was yet to be found what how much safer, and the evidence collected proves vaccinating children protected them from a lot of unexpected health risks from covid, from immune chaos to brain development problems.

So no, not "testing on kids" it was already proved to be safe and effective at protecting them, we just did not know how important that protection was until covid became the first cause of death for them.

Evidence seems to show that coming down with COVID, is basically as effective as vaccination at stimulating your immune system to prevent the disease. 

No such evidence, the obvious reason is that you need to get the disease, so the chance of preventing it for this kind of immunity is 0%, this is like saying that losing your hand prevents injuring that hand, not a rational proposition. The main point is to avoid the disease, so if you have to get it as requisite then the benefit is zero.

What is the rate of death by Covid among healthy 18 year old boys?

Not only death but also permanent disability is much higher for covid than for any kind of vaccine. There is no comparison. There is no age group where the vaccine represents more risk, none.

Most of us here are most probably vaccinated with all the recommended vaccines when we were young, especially the ones who come from developed countries.

This is one of the reasons we may have not contracted serious infectious diseases, not just because of our naturally strong immune systems and various health practices.

Anyway, if there's any antivaxer here who has children best consult first the best health professional you can get and conside carefully before deciding not to vaccinate your children.

Don't be shy to ask also if the doctors have kids and whether they have them vaccinated.

Virusrex is the only poster who actually supports his claims with links.

Others seem to consider Qonspiracy theories as valid. Not exactly the sharpest crayons in the box those ones.

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Even healthy, fit people need recommended vaccines to stay healthy and live well.

Thanks for the tip, but I'll pass and stick with natural immunity instead.

this goes for polio too? Rabies? Measles? And accept the idea you may be disabled or get the virus and unknowingly pass it on to others, eg babies and pregnant women. So nice of you! I’m all right Jack. As you accept the protection everyone else gives YOU via the herd immunity. You have the privilege of never knowing anyone who’s died of flu, polio, measles, diphtheria. The modes should be cutting these people out. The mods will slam anyone who criticizes Japan today or a thread goes crazy about trump. But won’t cut out the antivaxers nonsense.

Others seem to consider Qonspiracy theories as valid. Not exactly the sharpest crayons in the box those ones

Whatever, the issue is, everyone should be allowed to have an opinion, everyone should be allowed to talk about it or what medical input they have or can contribute or it should be allowed to be talked about, but on this site you only allowed to have one opinion and that’s it. I don’t believe in the vaccine, I support anyone that wants to take it, but I won’t, I didn’t, glad that I didn’t, and I don’t feel there’s a need to do so especially I don’t trust this government, the W.H.O. or Dr. Fauci and that’s my right.

Today’s life expectancy is 84 years old in Japan and the two biggest reasons for that are 1) clean water and sewage treatment. 2) vaccines. Other reasons include better treatments for other chronic conditions.

everyone should be allowed to have an opinion

And everyone also has the freedom of speech to point out when the facts prove those opinions wrong, because those opinions are based on Qonspiracy theories.

And everyone also has the freedom of speech to point out when the facts prove those opinions wrong,

But how are they wrong when the other side doesn’t want to hear opposing medical or scientific viewpoints, but they want us to listen? Yeah, No! You want me to listen to your medical opinions, you listen to mine as well. And since we weren’t allowed to speak out, I felt there was no reason to take the shot, I’m glad I didn’t.

because those opinions are based on Qonspiracy theories.

That’s how many of us feel about Fauci. He has an opinion and it wasn’t for me or my family.

. This individual has spread so much misinformation and disinformation it’s not even funny. for the past 4 years

The spammers and sock puppets have been the main problem. Types who believe watching a podcast or a Joe Rogan guest makes them authorities on the subject.

The types getting scammed by grifters and posting links to the likes of Alex Berenson have lowered the tone of this site.

Stunk the site out but I wouldn’t ban them.

This idea of vaccines being a left/right issue comes from those living in very tight bubble. Very rightwing North American podcast/conspiracy theory.

For people outside this bubble, the issue wasn’t political.

What is the rate of death by Covid among healthy 18 year old boys?

If they are healthy, the rate of death by Covid is much lower than the rate of death from the Covid shot. Same with serious adverse effects. Not even close...

@Raw Beer

You are a professional, credentialed scientist with a PhD in a related field according to a previous post.

Can I ask exactly what your field of research is?

I hope to learn more than I’d learn from the podcast/Joe Rogan crowd.

This idea of vaccines being a left/right issue comes from those living in very tight bubble.

You are right it shouldn’t be, but it is. People like me, millions that are skeptic of the government (and rightfully so) should be allowed to ask questions or criticize the science, if not then there’s no need for any discussion in good faith. If the left don’t want to listen to other medical professionals in the field and want to disregard what they say, we can do the same

Very rightwing North American podcast/conspiracy theory. 

That is what kept me safe all my life

For people outside this bubble, the issue wasn’t political.

Depends.

And everyone also has the freedom of speech to point out when the facts prove those opinions wrong, because those opinions are based on Qonspiracy theories.

The problem I saw was the grifters turned this matter political in the US in particular.

This isn’t a left/right issue and wasn’t in many places.

The conspiracy theorists are another matter. They will believe whatever they are told. If they were told the vaccines would make them live to 150, they’d be calling the anti-vaxxers ‘cucks’.

That is no argument against vaccines, not being vaccinated comes with a much (like huge) higher risk for the health and life of people, even young and healthy. So everybody gets a reduction of the risk from being vaccinated.

It's pointing out a problem with a type of injection, not all vaccines as you're trying to deliberately misrepresent me as saying. And are you trying to position the covid jabs as being an overall risk reduction for everyone?

The problem I saw was the grifters turned this matter political in the US in particular.

Which they can and frankly should. Big government with a very bad track record says all of a sudden, “trust use with your life?” Sorry, doesn’t work like that, and on top of that im not allowed to question you? A very large red flag.

This isn’t a left/right issue and wasn’t in many places. 

Depends

The conspiracy theorists are another matter. They will believe whatever they are told.

So will the people that never question authority or science

If they were told the vaccines would make them live to 150, they’d be calling the anti-vaxxers ‘cucks’.

Naw, still be skeptical. After trail and error runs and a few years and zero side effects, we can talk.

bass4funk

You didn't have your children vaccinated for childhood diseases including polio?

The conspiracy theorists are another matter. They will believe whatever they are told. If they were told the vaccines would make them live to 150, they’d be calling the anti-vaxxers ‘cucks’.

As opposed to what, those who believe Maddow, Cuomo, Lemon, and Stelter?

Wouldn’t know. Don’t watch them.

Back to my main point:

You are a professional, credentialed scientist with a PhD in a related field according to a previous post. 

Can I ask exactly what your field of research is?

A polite request. Don’t know why you avoided it.

It’s just that we get people who believe watching Joe Rogan guests makes them authorities on this. That lot will believe anything.

I want the input of a credentialed, working scientist in this area.

You are a professional, credentialed scientist with a PhD in a related field according to a previous post.

Somewhat related, yes.

I hope to learn more than I’d learn from the podcast/Joe Rogan crowd.

Why, what is wrong with the Joe Rogan crowd? He gets to talk to top experts in the field, who will never be allowed on the Pfizer-sponsored MSM. You might learn something, if you're discerning enough to weed out the obvious imposters...

You are a professional, credentialed scientist with a PhD in a related field according to a previous post.

Somewhat related, yes.

Which field exactly?

It’s just that we get people who believe watching Joe Rogan guests makes them authorities on this.

No, but makes them question the government and science which is a good thing 17 million followers is nothing to take lightly.

That lot will believe anything. 

You can make that argument about believing the government as well.

I want the input of a credentialed, working scientist in this area.

You should listen to many sides to make the best informed decision

Not only death but also permanent disability is much higher for covid than for any kind of vaccine.

I'll try agian...What is the death rate for healthy 18 year old boys? What is the injury rate from Covid vaccines for 18 year old boys?

"Much higher" is not a rate...How much higher? What are the rates?

There is no age group where the vaccine represents more risk, none.

This from the National Insitute of Health's web page

Myocarditis is a rare but significant adverse event associated with COVID‐19 vaccination, especially for men under 40

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9880674/