As U.S.-supplied weapons show impact inside Russia, Ukrainian soldiers hope for deeper strikes

Military and economic targets definitely seem justified and Putie can stuff his complaints.

And Russia is still winning this conflict.

bass4funkToday 06:50 am JST

And Russia is still winning this conflict.

Ukraine only has to survive for it be a win for them and the patriots that supported them.

Ukraine only has to survive for it be a win for them and the patriots that supported them.

Living with absolutely nothing around you is not what I would call surviving.

bass4funkToday 06:57 am JST

Ukraine only has to survive for it be a win for them and the patriots that supported them.

Living with absolutely nothing around you is not what I would call surviving.

Thankfully it isn't up to you. These people are tougher than you are.

bass4funk

And Russia is still winning this conflict.

How is that? How has Putin achieved his war goals?

“We could target (Russian) brigade command points and the entire northern grouping, because they are located 100 to 150 kilometers from the front line,” said Hefastus, an artillery commander in the Kharkiv region who goes by his callsign. “Normal ammunition can’t get at them. With this kind, we can do a lot to destroy their centers of command.”

The US needs to let up and allow Ukraine to target military targets that are further afield.

The US needs to let up and allow Ukraine to target military targets that are further afield.

You don’t have a TV?

The U.S. expanded the scope of its policy to allow counterstrikes across a wider region Friday.

Russia will respond by "expanding the scope of its policy" to allow tactical nukes to be placed in Cuba, Venezuela and North Korea.

Hypersonic tactical nukes like the Zircon or KH-22 and other systems can reach major cities in the US within minutes from Cuba.

Russia has thousands of nukes, placing 100 or so in Cuba would be relatively simple and that would be enough to ensure total annihilation of the US government.

Nobody wins with constant escalation.

How is that? How has Putin achieved his war goals?

54% of that country has been destroyed, so from the Russian point of view, I would call that a decisive win

54% of that country has been destroyed, so from the Russian point of view, I would call that a decisive win

While No Action Talk Only group (NATO) took everything to work on everything by the time is being done is already too late.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-display-captured-us-made-abrams-tank-trophy-moscow-1895769

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBdf4Dk_LqY

bass4funk

How is that? How has Putin achieved his war goals?

54% of that country has been destroyed, so from the Russian point of view, I would call that a decisive win

I'm pretty sure that they destruction of Ukraine wasn't part of Putin's war goals.

And considering Russia only holds 18% of Ukraine, it's difficult to se where your 54% number comes from.

Banthu

The U.S. expanded the scope of its policy to allow counterstrikes across a wider region Friday.

Russia will respond by "expanding the scope of its policy" to allow tactical nukes to be placed in Cuba, Venezuela and North Korea.

Nope. They won't.

> TaiwanIsNotChinaToday  06:41 am JST

Military and economic targets definitely seem justified and Putie can stuff his complaints.

And his visit to puny NK isn't going to help matters much either. And as for the Ukes targeting Russian cities, well they're asking for it.

bass4funkToday  06:50 am JST

And Russia is still winning this conflict.

Lesse, there's defections, draft dodging (men in their 40s and 50s!), UN sanctions, the Wagner threat, demonstrations and protests and riots, drones hitting Moscow. And Puddy Tat thought it would a couple months at max. After all, Kazakhstan was just a week or two. He was dead on wrong.

bass4funkToday 07:13 am JST

How is that? How has Putin achieved his war goals?

54% of that country has been destroyed, so from the Russian point of view, I would call that a decisive win

And what Fox news outlet did you get that from? 54% of the cities is almost certainly not destroyed. They don't point the cameras at the buildings that are operating as normal.

I'm pretty sure that the destruction of Ukraine wasn't part of Putin's war goals. 

I beg to differ, but regardless, that city is not coming back or rather 53% of the historical sites are gone forever.

And considering Russia only holds 18%

of Ukraine,

Again, when you have nothing to go back to, it’s not really living

it's difficult to se where your 54% number comes from.

Because you don’t spend time reading what other people say, I never claimed that Russia holds only 18% of the country. There is almost no country left, more than half of it gone.

BanthuToday 07:13 am JST

Russia will respond by "expanding the scope of its policy" to allow tactical nukes to be placed in Cuba, Venezuela and North Korea.

Hypersonic tactical nukes like the Zircon or KH-22 and other systems can reach major cities in the US within minutes from Cuba.

You seem to be throwing out words in the hopes that something will stick. Cuba has no interest in being used as launching site, Venezuela is too far to be meaningful, and North Korea already has nukes with whatever fancy label you want to smack on the side of it.

Russia has thousands of nukes, placing 100 or so in Cuba would be relatively simple and that would be enough to ensure total annihilation of the US government.

You seem to have forgotten there was a Cuban missile crisis and it is still entirely possible to put nukes all along Russia's border if it came to that.

Nobody wins with constant escalation.

I agree, so Russia should back the f down.

bass4funkToday 07:38 am JST

I'm pretty sure that the destruction of Ukraine wasn't part of Putin's war goals. 

I beg to differ, but regardless, that city is not coming back or rather 53% of the historical sites are gone forever.

Since when did you care about history? In any event, are you under the impression that Russia sent a missile for half of each apartment building in the country?

Putin has ensured this is going to continue on Russia’s own soil. It’s not another Afghanistan for Russia. It’s far worse than that. Ukraine has lost a lot, but Russia’s not won anything yet.

Ukrainian soldiers hope for deeper strikes

And that is how WW3 begins

Since when did you care about history?

Since the 6th grade

In any event, are you under the impression that Russia sent a missile for half of each apartment building in the country?

I never said, nor implied that.

Hello Kitty 321Today 07:52 am JST

Ukrainian soldiers hope for deeper strikes

And that is how WW3 begins

Even if that is how it begins, historians can always go back to that a$inine invasion as necessitating the strikes.

bass4funkToday 07:54 am JST

Since when did you care about history?

Since the 6th grade

Could've fooled me how you just say we will unilaterally declare Russia our best buds after 100 years of fighting them.

In any event, are you under the impression that Russia sent a missile for half of each apartment building in the country?

I never said, nor implied that.

Then how did half of them get destroyed? Most buildings are residential or office space.

bass4funk

I'm pretty sure that the destruction of Ukraine wasn't part of Putin's war goals. 

I beg to differ,

You think that the destruction of Ukraine is what Putin wants? Of course not. He wants Ukraine, but not a destroyed Ukraine. That's no use to anybody.

but regardless, that city is not coming back

What city?

or rather 53% of the historical sites are gone forever.

What? Where are you getting 53% from?

it's difficult to se where your 54% number comes from.

Because you don’t spend time reading what other people say, I never claimed that Russia holds only 18% of the country. There is almost no country left, more than half of it gone.

So where do you get 54% from?

You think that the destruction of Ukraine is what Putin wants?

Doesn’t matter, not here to contemplate what the man is thinking, I don’t care,

Of course not. He wants Ukraine, but not a destroyed Ukraine. That's no use to anybody.

One thing about Putin is, the man is not dumb, he knows what he’s getting with this war and if he cared as you claim, he wouldn’t continue with this war.

What city?

Mariupol Kharkiv Bakhmut Severodonetsk Lysychansk Irpin Bucha Popasna Izium Rubizhne

What? Where are you getting 53% from?

Stratfor

So where do you get 54% from?

The destruction of these cities.

Could've fooled me how you just say we will unilaterally declare Russia our best buds after 100 years of fighting them.

I never said that, but I think we should try and work more closely with the Russians since they are our biggest nuclear counterpart

Then how did half of them get destroyed? Most buildings are residential or office space.

Well, there you go.

bass4funk

Of course not. He wants Ukraine, but not a destroyed Ukraine. That's no use to anybody.

One thing about Putin is, the man is not dumb, he knows what he’s getting with this war

No, he thought it would be over in days to a week. Big miscalculation.

and if he cared as you claim, he wouldn’t continue with this war.

He's only continuing to save face.

So where do you get 54% from?

The destruction of these cities.

So made up. And not representative of Ukraine.

Of course not. He wants Ukraine, but not a destroyed Ukraine. That's no use to anybody.

One thing about Putin is, the man is not dumb, he knows what he’s getting with this war 

No, he thought it would be over in days to a week. Big miscalculation.

I doubt it, the man with his intellect and his former intelligence pedigree, naw

He's only continuing to save face.

Doubt it.

So where do you get 54% from?

Stratfor.

So made up. And not representative of Ukraine.

Back at you.

U.S.-supplied weapons for limited strikes in Russian territory, the country is having some success in halting Russia’s new push along the northeast front,

What advance, it was clearly a move to get Ukraine to transfer it's best units North, and it worked!

30,000 of Ukraine's best barely making headway against 10,000 Russians.

Meanwhile whatever you do don't look south!

Funny how all these articles Keep going on about Kharkiv but ignore the multiple gains and new front (well renewed fronts ) to the south!

So while Ukraine transfered 30,000 north, Russia Kherson, pushing the Ukrainians out of all the islands and all the east bank of the River, with Ukraine now only on the west side. Russia advanced more in Zaporizhzhia front taking more of the territory Ukraine took in the summer if 2023 with robotyne basically under Russian control and taking the trenches to the east nearly full encirclement of the remaining pocket of Ukrainians (like in Avdiivka).

And speaking of Avdiivka, Russia is advancing there also, near Bakhmut Russia is now in and around Chasiv Yar ! The list goes on.

The instant Ukraine sent it's troops noth, Russia launched several new fronts in the south taking far more territory than the small pieces in the North.

All this is available on pro Ukrainian DeepStatemap, not from Russian sources.

So if Ukrainian government sponsored DeepStatemap is admitting all this, then we can conclude the situation is far worse as DeepStatemap is known to without negative information until it is no long possible to do so!

2020hindsights

Today 08:36 am JST

No, he thought it would be over in days to a week. Big miscalculation.

Again!

You like to keep using that debunked line, don't you?

Putin nor any Russian said anything like that!

And you know that.

The only one to have said that was USA general Milley!

And the news and you decided to say this was what Russia thought.

bass4funkToday 08:08 am JST

Could've fooled me how you just say we will unilaterally declare Russia our best buds after 100 years of fighting them.

I never said that, but I think we should try and work more closely with the Russians since they are our biggest nuclear counterpart

Ah, so "work closely" with our enemy of 100 years. Makes a lot of sense. Presumably against the Democrats.

AntiquesavingToday 09:34 am JST

So while Ukraine transfered 30,000 north, Russia Kherson, pushing the Ukrainians out of all the islands and all the east bank of the River, with Ukraine now only on the west side. Russia advanced more in Zaporizhzhia front taking more of the territory Ukraine took in the summer if 2023 with robotyne basically under Russian control and taking the trenches to the east nearly full encirclement of the remaining pocket of Ukrainians (like in Avdiivka).

So basically as limited gains as Ukraine's was in 2023. Cool advance, bruh.

bass4funkToday 08:05 am JST

What city?

Mariupol Kharkiv Bakhmut Severodonetsk Lysychansk Irpin Bucha Popasna Izium Rubizhne

Russia hasn't destroyed Kharkiv yet because it's armed forces are pathetic.

So where do you get 54% from?

The destruction of these cities.

This is true: Ukrainian patriots have not let Russia have one inch but that it burned beyond recognition and burned by the terrorist invaders. This is a sign of how effective Ukraine is. It means Russia will never advance beyond Kharkiv as the Germans never advanced beyond Stalingrad.

Mariupol Kharkiv Bakhmut Severodonetsk Lysychansk Irpin Bucha Popasna Izium Rubizhne

Ukraine has a lot more cities than this, Bass. Ukraine is like the size of Texas, if it helps you to picture it.

Russia hasn't destroyed Kharkiv yet because its armed forces are pathetic.

Yet, but getting there.

This is true: Ukrainian patriots have not let Russia have one inch but that it burned beyond recognition and burned by the terrorist invaders.

So Putin called for a ceasefire then?

This is a sign of how effective Ukraine is.

Uh-huh…

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/22/europe/ukraine-russia-power-blackouts-spring-intl/index.html

It means Russia will never advance beyond Kharkiv as the Germans never advanced beyond Stalingrad.

Lol, not buying that for a minute.

Germany fired V1 and V2 into Britain, the USA bombed the daylight out of Vietnam.

Did those work?

No, because without troops and the capability to go in, it was a sad inconvenience with no military success.

Russia has 600,000 men in Ukraine all professionals or volunteer recruits, it has 300,000 to 400,000 recruits in reserve inside Russia and 300,000 conscripts inside Russia that by law cannot be sent into Ukraine but will be called to fight if Ukraine crosses the border.

Meanwhile Ukraine complains about manpower shortage (strange seeing the claim online 31,000 killed since 2022 and 70,000 wounded out of a 700,000 strong military in June 2022)

The situation is so bad that press gangs (AKA recrutement units) grab men off the streets (BBC report and plenty of videos online), in desperation they lowered the conscription age, cancelled all passport services overseas to Ukraine men 18 to 60 and have dedicated military units just to patrol their western border to stop men from leaving!

But lets all pretend that Ukraine can win, oh and it will get to Crimea in 2023, remember?

TaiwanIsNotChina

Today 09:44 am JST

Germans never advanced beyond Stalingrad.

Ukraine's Stalingrad was in order.

Maruipol, Bakhmut, Avdiivka and now depending on with Ukraine leaders Chasiv Yar or Kharkiv!

Remember in every case it was "no surrender" " no retreat" and in the end Ukraine had to run!

Russia never planned on taking Kharkiv this time, it was a surprise as much to Russia as it was to Ukraine at how far Russia got.

It was a prob a diversion an only 2,000 men went in and suddenly discovered that all the minefields were fake, no concrete bunkers no tank obstacles all fake due to corruption.

So they kept going.

Russia only committed under 10,000 troops to both areas despite having 60,000 in reserve.

Russia wants the whole of Donetsk Oblast and Luhansk Oblast before it will go for Kharkiv.

Putin has to because he already proclaimed these as now officially part of Russia, he hasn't done so with Kharkiv, so despite it being a major city it has less importance than the other 2 regions.

Russia has 600,000 men in Ukraine all professionals or volunteer recruits, it has 300,000 to 400,000 recruits in reserve inside Russia and 300,000 conscripts inside Russia that by law cannot be sent into Ukraine but will be called to fight if Ukraine crosses the border.

Well it's a good thing Ukraine isn't trying to invade Russia, and only trying to defend their country as the Brits and Vietnamese were as per your example. It's amazing how determined people are when they're defending their homes from oppressors.

Weak.

bass4funkToday 09:53 am JST

Russia hasn't destroyed Kharkiv yet because its armed forces are pathetic.

Yet, but getting there.

No, it is not getting there. Terrorist artillery is not within range let alone encircling the place.

This is true: Ukrainian patriots have not let Russia have one inch but that it burned beyond recognition and burned by the terrorist invaders.

So Putin called for a ceasefire then?

Putin said retreat and there would be discussions of a ceasefire. A laughable proposal.

This is a sign of how effective Ukraine is.

Uh-huh…

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/22/europe/ukraine-russia-power-blackouts-spring-intl/index.html

You do know that Russia can destroy powerplants beyond the frontlines, right? Doesn't mean that 54% of Kyiv is destroyed.

It means Russia will never advance beyond Kharkiv as the Germans never advanced beyond Stalingrad.

Lol, not buying that for a minute.

Kharkiv's population was 1.4 million before the war. If it still has even 700,000 that is 7x what Russia will likely have in the way of terrorist ground units. And they will be in molotov cocktail and small arms range.

TaiwanIsNotChina

Today 09:40 am JST

So basically as limited gains as Ukraine's was in 2023. Cool advance, bruh.

Actually that was only Robotyne!

Even Zelenski admitted Russia took anoth 6% of Ukraine in 2023 basically 3 times what Ukraine took in the summer of 2023 and in 2024 it has taken most of the gains back and taken another amount around the country equal to what it took in 2023.

So yes a fairly significant advance bruh if you actually look at facts.

AntiquesavingToday 10:01 am JST

Germany fired V1 and V2 into Britain, the USA bombed the daylight out of Vietnam.

Did those work?

They did not and that is why Russia's terrorist shelling won't work.

No, because without troops and the capability to go in, it was a sad inconvenience with no military success.

Russia has 600,000 men in Ukraine all professionals or volunteer recruits, it has 300,000 to 400,000 recruits in reserve inside Russia and 300,000 conscripts inside Russia that by law cannot be sent into Ukraine but will be called to fight if Ukraine crosses the border.

That's not enough to take a city of 700,000 because they would all have to be in one place. Meanwhile Kyiv will be 1.5 million defenders.

The situation is so bad that press gangs (AKA recrutement units) grab men off the streets (BBC report and plenty of videos online), in desperation they lowered the conscription age, cancelled all passport services overseas to Ukraine men 18 to 60 and have dedicated military units just to patrol their western border to stop men from leaving!

But lets all pretend that Ukraine can win, oh and it will get to Crimea in 2023, remember?

Ukraine just has to bloody the terrorists and hold them back for the most part. Men the world over need a lot of convincing to fight but when the terrorists are coming down your street, the decision is made for you. They know Russia doesn't leave survivors.

Ukraine's Stalingrad was in order.

Maruipol, Bakhmut, Avdiivka and now depending on with Ukraine leaders Chasiv Yar or Kharkiv!

Remember in every case it was "no surrender" " no retreat" and in the end Ukraine had to run!

You haven't seen real urban combat supplied from outside no less. A lot of babushkas will be questioning their blind obedience.

Russia wants the whole of Donetsk Oblast and Luhansk Oblast before it will go for Kharkiv.

So you admit they still want it. That is why this "peace offer" from Putin is a joke. Also Kherson will remain out of reach of Putie.

AntiquesavingToday 10:44 am JST

TaiwanIsNotChina

Today 09:40 am JST

So basically as limited gains as Ukraine's was in 2023. Cool advance, bruh.

Actually that was only Robotyne!

Even Zelenski admitted Russia took anoth 6% of Ukraine in 2023 basically 3 times what Ukraine took in the summer of 2023 and in 2024 it has taken most of the gains back and taken another amount around the country equal to what it took in 2023.

So yes a fairly significant advance bruh if you actually look at facts.

Still less than Ukraine's removal of terrorists in summer 2022.

No, it is not getting there. Terrorist artillery is not within range let alone encircling the place.

At this rate, it just might happen.

Putin said retreat and there would be discussions of a ceasefire. A laughable proposal.

As a former KGB intel officer, one of his great attributes was psychological warfare, I take everything with a grain of salt, but never count him out, ever.

You do know that Russia can destroy powerplants beyond the frontlines, right? Doesn't mean that 54% of Kyiv is destroyed.

I trust the geopolitical intel more that it is.

Kharkiv's population was 1.4 million before the war. If it still has even 700,000 that is 7x what Russia will likely have in the way of terrorist ground units. And they will be in molotov cocktail and small arms range.

Add to Russia's arsenal, the Chinese, Belarus, and North Korea, I would be apprehensive at this point, glad I am not there. Zelenskyy's got a lot to pray for, can't beat fate.

Russia’s Vietnam War.

Add to Russia's arsenal, the Chinese, Belarus, and North Korea, I would be apprehensive at this point, glad I am not there. Zelenskyy's got a lot to pray for, can't beat fate.

Yes, Russia's allies seem much more resolute than the Republican cowards who praise Russia at every turn and sabotage Ukraine's self defence by blocking aid.

bass4funkToday 10:52 am JST

Putin said retreat and there would be discussions of a ceasefire. A laughable proposal.

As a former KGB intel officer, one of his great attributes was psychological warfare, I take everything with a grain of salt, but never count him out, ever.

In the end, they are just desk jockeys. Idolizing them doesn't make them superhuman.

Kharkiv's population was 1.4 million before the war. If it still has even 700,000 that is 7x what Russia will likely have in the way of terrorist ground units. And they will be in molotov cocktail and small arms range.

Add to Russia's arsenal, the Chinese, Belarus, and North Korea, I would be apprehensive at this point, glad I am not there. Zelenskyy's got a lot to pray for,

China, Belarus, and North Korea are sending troops now? Doesn't seem likely.

can't beat fate.

Ah yes, MAGA Jesus will come down on the side of Russia. Too bad Trump doesn't want to be seen grabbing his ankles, either.

Yes, Russia's allies seem much more resolute than the Republican cowards who praise Russia

I don't know ANY conservative that praises Russia. Personally, I don't respect either leader, I think both are more similar than we like to think, the difference is, that Russia is bigger, and has bigger weapons, more soldiers, etc. Other than that...

at every turn and sabotage Ukraine's self defence by blocking aid.

Again, you can't beat fate in the end. Just a matter of time before Ukraine falls, sad, but inevitable.

In the end, they are just desk jockeys. Idolizing them doesn't make them superhuman.

Not sure who idolizes these men. I think it's sickening.

China, Belarus, and North Korea are sending troops now? Doesn't seem likely.

Who said anything about troops???

Ah yes, MAGA Jesus will come down on the side of Russia. Too bad Trump doesn't want to be seen grabbing his ankles, either.

I'm sorry, I don't know what that rant means.

It’s not fate, it’s rebulican cowardice.

And your side praises Putin all the time.

I don't know ANY conservative that praises Russia.

Lol, it's hard to find any that don't. MAGA is enthralled by Putin, as you seem to be.

I don't blame you though. People who lack strength will often embrace those who they consider to be stronk.

bass4funkToday 11:12 am JST

Yes, Russia's allies seem much more resolute than the Republican cowards who praise Russia

I don't know ANY conservative that praises Russia. Personally, I don't respect either leader, I think both are more similar than we like to think, the difference is, that Russia is bigger, and has bigger weapons, more soldiers, etc. Other than that...

Yes, you've drunk the nasty swill coming out Faux News and think that Zelenskyy is just as bad as Putin. Too bad Ukraine geographically will be the border of our treaty allies and Ukraine is therefor an essential member of them. Can't beat geography.

It’s not fate, it’s rebulican cowardice.

I disagree.

And your side praises Putin all the time.

And yet, the Dems, this admin. are supplying them, so who's at war again with Russia, the Republicans want the aid to stop.

bass4funk

Yes, Russia's allies seem much more resolute than the Republican cowards who praise Russia

> I don't know ANY conservative that praises Russia

Trump praised Putin. Putin praised Trump. It's a mutual love club.

bass4funkToday 11:15 am JST

China, Belarus, and North Korea are sending troops now? Doesn't seem likely.

Who said anything about troops???

That's the only thing that will help Russia take Kharkiv.

Ah yes, MAGA Jesus will come down on the side of Russia. Too bad Trump doesn't want to be seen grabbing his ankles, either.

I'm sorry, I don't know what that rant means.

It mean Trump cares more about his image than in maintaining your completely confused ideology. He could turn into Ukraine's biggest backer.

In the end, they are just desk jockeys. Idolizing them doesn't make them superhuman.

Not sure who idolizes these men. I think it's sickening.

You do, Bass. It shows in your active interest in attaining a working relationship with Russia. It also shows in how willingly you drank the pro-Russian filth that came out of your news outlets.

Trump praised Putin. Putin praised Trump. It's a mutual love club.

Both for their strength, I agree.

bass4funkToday 06:50 am JST

And Russia is still winning this conflict.

It amazes me how you can love a democracy like America and not support Ukraine in their fight against commie bully Russia. The right and far right are lost and extremely lost.

And yet, the Dems, this admin. are supplying them, so who's at war again with Russia, the Republicans want the aid to stop.

Yes, we know, republicans don’t want to honor treaties that have benefited it for 70 years. The rest of the world sees it too. The erosion of trust in the US falls squarely at the feet of the trump crowd.

That's the only thing that will help Russia take Kharkiv.

Which is significant, we won't be sending troops to help Zelenskyy

It mean Trump cares more about his image than in maintaining your completely confused ideology. He could turn into Ukraine's biggest backer.

If you think so, I just want the aid to stop and I want a President that puts America first. That is why Zelenskyy is nervous, he knows if Trump wins, that spigot $$ will be turned off.

You do, Bass.

I don't

It shows in your active interest in attaining a working relationship with Russia.

Absolutely

It also shows in how willingly you drank the pro-Russian filth that came out of your news outlets.

No, just using serious common sense and tuning out the globalist ideology