Aly Rustom comments

> Incorrect. They stated there was a risk of famine (that never occurred) not there was currently a famine.

incorrect

Gaza were in IPC Phase 5, or catastrophic levels of hunger.

Note the level 5 and catastrophic!

The IPC doesn't have a higher level than 5!

Denial again

> Incorrect. They stated there was a risk of famine (that never occurred) not there was currently a famine.

incorrect

Gaza were in IPC Phase 5, or catastrophic levels of hunger.

Note the level 5 and catastrophic!

The IPC doesn't have a higher level than 5!

Denial again

You’ve been making the argument that there’s a famine in Gaza this whole time. Now when Wallace comes out and posts that there literally isn’t a famine, which I’ve been saying this whole time, you agree with him.

WHAT?? Wallace NEVER said that! You are the one in denial.

Now you’re saying I’m in denial despite you agreeing with the argument I’ve been making this whole time?

Neither I nor wallace agree with your argument at all.

Which part EXACTLY proves this?

Page 2 Executive Summary

Post the exact quote.

Incorrect!

Even back in January the IPC stated this!

Gaza were in IPC Phase 5, or catastrophic levels of hunger.

Note the level 5 and catastrophic!

The IPC doesn't have a higher level than 5!

So you are wrong Gaza is in a famine and the IPC level 5 is proof!

there you go!

Yes it is nice as it proves exactly what I’ve been saying: there is no current famine in Gaza

Denial.

report points out in painstaking detail why there is a famine in Gaza. Deal with it

Which my report then proves was false.

Which part EXACTLY proves this?

Keep up with the news and stop embarrassing yourself by being not up to date

LOL. You are the only one embarrassing yourself- its quite entertaining actually

Antiquesaving

Damn straight !

Nice post wallace. Lets see what Bone has to say about that.

> No you didn’t.

Yes I did.

Now you’re scared and coping.

LOL! I can see the desperation in your posts!

My report directly points out the mistakes in WFP reporting from the time period you’ve been referencing this whole time

My report points out in painstaking detail why there is a famine in Gaza. Deal with it

With outdated information that was literally proven wrong. Find me a report from the WFP more recent than the report I posted that contradicts it.

Already did. You can't handle the fact that I've literally proven you wrong.

If you can’t then I accept your concession

shhhh- its ok. You lost. Everyone knows it

Also I noticed you never posted the report so I’ll just accept that you agree their report doesn’t exist.

And I'll accept that you lost the argument seeing how you have nothing to offer but personal attacks.

The IPC literally stated that they were wrong. IPC is a multi-stakeholder platform that analyzes data from the U.N. World Food Programme, other UN agencies and non-governmental organizations to determine the severity and magnitude of hunger crises, according to internationally-recognized scientific standards. Are you calling them liars?

No. I simply have demonstrated that the WFP has proven time and time again that there is a famine.

I'm not trying. I HAVE proven you wrong. Everyone here can see that except for you

No you haven’t because you’re not accepting the most recent reporting. You’re trying to live in the past to prove yourself right when the most recent evidence proves you wrong. you’re the equivalent of an anti-vaxxer or trumpist

Funny you resort to more name calling. More proof that you have lost the argument when you refer to personal insults.

I know you will. You can’t accept the truth when presented to you.

Pot calling kettle???

No I’ve posted direct links to the information provided by the organization that the UN uses to determine whether famines are occurring or not.

and my link proves that famine is happening.

Keep living in your fantasy world though if that makes you feel better

You too. Only you'll find it very lonely there

The information that they were receiving to make that judgment was incorrect at the time as indicated by the report I posted. At the time the article was written they believed there was a famine but after gathering more information they came to the conclusion they were wrong as indicated by the report I posted.

The World Food Program have not revised their findings. They have CONSISTENTLY insisted that there is famine in Gaza. NO amount of mental gymnastics is going to change that.

You’re trying to prove me wrong with outdated reporting and information that has all been debunked in the report I posted

I'm not trying. I HAVE proven you wrong. Everyone here can see that except for you

n a report that was later revealed to be inaccurate

I'll believe the Head of the world food program

Opinions without any scientific back are just opinions, not facts

And that's all that you have offered- opinions

Im literally quoting from the IFP which partners with the World Food Program

LOL!!!! And I'm quoting the HEAD of the World Food Program!!!!!!

No it isn’t. There isn’t no report that they created. Where is the report? If it exists link it to me. You can’t because it doesn’t exist

TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — The head of the United Nations World Food Program says northern Gaza has entered “full-blown famine” after nearly seven months of war between Israel and Hamas. But a formal, and highly sensitive, famine declaration faces the complications of politics and of confirming how many people have died.

Cindy McCain in an NBC interview broadcast Sunday said severe Israeli restrictions on humanitarian deliveries to the territory that has long relied on outside food assistance have pushed civilians in the most isolated, devastated part of Gaza over the brink. Famine was now moving south in Gaza, she said.

Right here.

Keep throwing that temper tantrum

You haven’t proven anything but instead choose to ignore the facts that I’ve posted. Your “proof” is the opinion of experts who are basing their conclusion on the deaths of a couple people and extrapolating that across the entirety of Gaza despite the agency that the UN relies on stating the opposite. You live in a fantasy world

Funny how you admit that I'm quoting experts and yet somehow the opinion of these experts doesn't matter but we should defer to you!

LOL!!!!!!

There are no facts in the article, just the opinions of those experts. They don’t base their opinions on any widespread scientific research

There are facts. They have said that 2 of the 3 conditions for famine have been met with enough evidence to conclude that the 3rd has been met too

Keep throwing the toys out of the pram

Based on no evidence and directly contradicted by the evidence I supported

I've given evidence and yes of course you don't accept any evidence that contradicts what you believe

Is english not your first language?

LOL! NOW I know you've lost the argument. When you resort to personal attacks .

That isn’t a “report” it’s an article

Its an article citing a report genious.

A document explaining famine published in March by the IPC noted, however, that an area can be classified as “famine with reasonable evidence” if two of the three thresholds have been reached and analysts believe from available evidence that the third likely has been reached.

You clearly didn’t read the report I posted as it very clearly states that these March projections you’re talking about here never occurred

I think I'll trust The head of the United Nations World Food Program when she says northern Gaza has entered “full-blown famine over you thanks

You didn’t prove anything.

I proved that the UN said there is a famine in Gaza.

What facts?

the ones in the article

Your own quote literally states they have no facts lmao.

The quote literally states that based on the evidence they have, famine exists. You just can't deal with facts

You posted the opinion of one person who admitted they have no evidence to back up their claims. I however posted a detailed report with evidence supporting the finding that there isn’t a famine occurring

I've proven that there is famine in Gaza. You are the one refusing to accept facts. And I'm not the only person who says that. most of the posters here are correct in saying that you simply cannot deal with facts when they are presented to you

Wheres the report then? Link the report that they created so I can read it. Any attempt to obfuscate and not post the report I’ll just take as you admitting you’re wrong and trying to back down

I posted it for you. the title literally says that.

keep those temper tantrums up.

Happy to keep contributing.

Lol thanks for admitting that there’s no proof to your argument that there’s a famine. You made my time easy

LOL. I just proved it to you and you are throwing a temper tantrum and refusing to accept the facts right under your nose. throwing the toys out of the pram again I see

That isn’t a report, it’s the opinion of experts who are basing their opinion on a couple of recent deaths

Its a UN report

And like you said its the opinion of experts as opposed to a poster who doesn't even use his real name .

The bottom line is that people are practically dying from a lack of food, water and medicines. If we are waiting for the moment when all the facts are in hand to verify the final conditions to scientifically declare a famine, it would be after thousands of people have perished,” Taravella said.

Completely obliterating all of your above posts

Thats the same reporting as this article, which when you actually dig into it doesn’t rely on any report or study. It relies on 11 experts using the recent deaths of 13 Gazans to make a wild claim that there is mass famine across Gaza, which has been proven false by a large scale report done by the agency that the UN relies on to determine whether or not areas are experiencing famine or not

please point out where I said anything incorrect here

Here is where you are wrong

According to the IPC, an area is considered to be in famine when three things occur: 20% of households have an extreme lack of food, or essentially starving; at least 30% of children suffer from acute malnutrition or wasting, meaning they’re too thin for their height; and two adults or four children per every 10,000 people are dying daily of hunger and its complications.

In northern Gaza, the first condition of extreme lack of food has been met, senior WFP spokesman Steve Taravella told The Associated Press. The second condition of child acute malnutrition is nearly met, he said. But the death rate could not be verified.

Doing so is difficult. Aid groups note that Israeli airstrikes and raids have devastated medical facilities in northern Gaza and displaced much of the population. Along with restrictions on access, they complicate the ability to formally collect data on deaths.

A document explaining famine published in March by the IPC noted, however, that an area can be classified as “famine with reasonable evidence” if two of the three thresholds have been reached and analysts believe from available evidence that the third likely has been reached.

 I literally posted a report by the agency that the UN refers to when trying to determine famines and they said there isn’t a famine. 

I just posted a report that says the UN says that there is a famine so you are full of hot air.

How's that for a contribution?

It's on between you and me now